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Special sections in material database.

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Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 09:19

Hi - and happy New Year! Smile

Is it possible to define a section in material database like a concrete hollow core slab?? How to tell the material database, that I want these holes / channels in the slab? see also attached picture, where the holes are made by using intersecting volumes.
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 10:13

There was a post in the German forum:
www.user.dietrichs.com...mp;p=41916

Parts with holes are possible, but they may cause some difficulties, if you try to operate with them.

There is another way: save your conrete hollow core slab as a library element. (You need Dicam full version.)
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 10:21

Do I just define the holes with coordinates, as if they where a single section - and then the program automatic understand that this is a hole in the section??
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 11:01

I didn't try it for myself, but I think you're right. As I understood, it makes a difference, to input the outline and holes clockwise or counterclockwise.
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 12:29

If I use DiCam's library I cannot use the items as beams in wall and ceiling design - is that correct?
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Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 12:32

Yes, that's correct.
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 12:46

Then I would prefer to have the items in the material database. I would also like to put armature into the material database, and it is possible, but problematic with small diameters because the distance between coordinates are getting too small.
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 12:46

Hi Thorvald,

you need to enter the coordinates of the outline clockwise and enter the coordinates of the hollows counter-clockwise. Then it should work.

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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 12:58

Continued from what I say about armature. It would be convenient if it was possible to make round items and then the program it self calculates the coordinates. In dicam it is possible to make round bars (rods) at any diameter. But in wall and ceiling design rods have a square section. Is there any way to create round bars in wall and ceiling design. Is it possible to create a rod in Dicam, and somehow transfer it to wall or ceiling design.

How I can solve this? Or maybe Dietrichs developers can create armature items for use in the material database - or maybe somebody have already done that? It would be excellent if the armature then was having the correct surface texture of kamsteel. And also the possibility to put in the walls ore ceilings bended armature - this could maybe also be predefined in the program based on what diameter armature you choose, and then you can choose if you want L-bended U-bended or even bended in 4 corners.
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 14:08

It's no problem to input round posts into a wall.
I created some diameters in the database, now I can use them where ever I want.
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 14:17

I created some diameters in the database - how did you do that? Can you create any diameter you want - also small diameters??
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 14:34

No problem with small diameters.
There are functions for creating coordinates for different shapes.
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Re: Special sections in material database.

Odeslat Zaslal: 03.01.2008 14:41

Ahaaaa aaaaaaahhhaaaaaa ....... Very Happy You are so clever Der_Planer!! Smile It is a pleasure to know you (even we did not meet). How could I oversee that "profiles"..... d'oh!
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Odeslat Zaslal: 04.01.2008 14:08

Unfortunately I lost 1 days work, while working with this. The holes in the hollow core slabs, I had made manually with intersection volumes against steel tubes (I have not yet put them in the material database). And I had finished to put armature in 8 deck elements, when the program crashed and when I opened it again I was not asked if I want to recover from auto save files - and there was only basement floor - 1st. floor that I was working with, was gone.

The reason for this I guess is that circular items are relative "heavy" for the model?? One thing that might be a issue is the number of segment lines? In general I have used 20 segments for my armature. Maybe I should go down to 10 or 12.

Another option - that I will do now - is that I will have a position with the house model. (Luckily I had copied the house model into another position, when I finished the raw model, because I have two houses that are nearly equal). Then I can have positions, from where I make production drawings of max. 5 concrete elements with armature, if it is hollow core slabs, and maybe 10 if they are massive wall or deck elements. I think I can still manage to have the concrete project for these 2 houses ready for production on Monday, which was my goal. But to loose 1 days work - aaauuuuch... Sad
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Odeslat Zaslal: 04.01.2008 14:44

Before I make "dangerous operations", I save a backup of my house model.
You should never work with lines or edges shorter than 1 mm. I think this can cause problems with 3d precision.
20 segments combined with a small diameter could be "dangerous".

Sometimes you need a sixth sense... Wink
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